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David Wilcock: Hello, I’m David Wilcock, and welcome to another episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m here with Corey Goode, and in this episode we’re going to get into government trolls, our friends we love to hate online who always are so willing to share their very, very negative and depraved opinions. But are they really just ordinary folks, or is there something more going on? So Corey, welcome to the program.
Corey Goode: Thank you.
David: I want to open this up by talking about a very, very bizarre television show that is now available. Anybody can watch it if they have a basic Netflix subscription. It’s called “Ascension”. In the show “Ascension”, they describe a honeypot situation where, when people started to find out about this program that they’re describing in the show, that there are places online that they designed where you will find that information. And they make it out like it’s just a website, but then they’re looking for people who actually are leaking real information. And that leads to a government hit job.
So is that aspect of what they say in the television show “Ascension”, is that real? Will they hang out information to see if a whistleblower shows up, and try to make them think that it’s a trustworthy place to disclose data, only to find out that the trap is going to snap on them?
Corey: Yes. They use websites. They use people posting in forums, and they use established researchers who have been compromised by informants of their own. They’ve got the infiltration of this field down to a fine art, and they’ve had the infiltration of ufology in the esoteric community down from the beginning, since the early ’50s.
David: How much of the information that people who are studying up on UFOs and reading online may be part of this type of program? Is this a fairly isolated phenomenon, or is it a fairly widespread phenomenon? How prevalent is disinformation in the UFO community?
Corey: It’s incredible. It’s heavily controlled, heavily manipulated information.
David: So what are we really looking at here? Does this mean that the average person, who feels like they’ve done a lot of homework and has really studied up and learned what there is to know about UFOs, are they polluted with an incredible amount of disinformation?
Corey: Oh, yes. I mean, I’ve talked to people who have angrily said, “I’ve done this for 40 years, 45 years, you know, 10, 15 years I’ve been studying this. I’ve been in the middle of it.” Their egos can’t let them for a moment to believe that they have been tricked by information by these infiltrators.
David: Let’s talk about the abduction issue for a moment. It’s a very strange counterpoint between, for example, Dr. John Mack, who was a PhD psychiatrist from Harvard University – or it might have been MIT. I’m trying to remember. It’s one of those two – the big Ivy Leagues in Massachusetts. Anyway, I think it’s Harvard. Dr. John Mack, straight ahead mainstream psychiatrist with all kinds of published papers behind him, is interviewing people in a therapeutic context using hypnotherapy.
People get hypnotized, and they start to report extraterrestrial contact. And he writes a big, thick book just like mine – 500 page monster. You read John Mack’s “Abduction”, and there’s innumerable reports of people have been benevolent contact, spiritual experiences, mind-expanding experiences, prophecies of some sort of very positive change for humanity. And he said this seems to be a very consistent element of the contact experience.
Then, he allegedly slips on the ice and falls and hits his head, and he dies, right as UFOs are really starting to take off. But then you have almost every other alien abduction researcher completely divergent from what John Mack was saying – that abduction is this terrifying thing. It’s only negative. They’re bringing you up, they’re taking genetic samples, they’re terrorizing you, then they mind wipe you and send you back down.
So let’s talk for a moment about the abduction narrative. Are these certain folks that are putting out very consistently negative information about abduction possibly on some sort of government payroll?
Corey: Not necessarily on a payroll, but are buying into a certain narrative that has been meticulously seeded with very believable information, and information that they know that a certain person is predisposed to want to accept.
David: Is it possible that there are people who are actually being paid to write books and pose as normal researchers?
Corey: Oh, yeah. That’s definitely true.
David: Okay. I’m not going to name names, but I’m thinking of one very strongly right now.
Corey: Yeah, the most important tool to have is a psychological profile on a person. If you have a psychological profile on a person, you’re able to then find ways to get into their life and manipulate them, manipulate their belief systems. You know what they’re looking for, what their field of study, their interests are, and then you can put in people that have that information with the caveats that you’ve put on it, disinformation caveats, and then they jump on – or if they bite that information, then you are in with them and then they are now, I guess, parroting that information for you if you’re a disinfo agent.
David: Well, let’s talk about that psychological profile. You obviously know what you’re talking about, but we don’t. So let’s just say you have someone on the Internet who has been targeted. What do you actually see, and what are they doing? What are they looking for?
Corey: Well, they have different types. They’re going to break down your personality type.
David: What does that mean?
Corey: There are 16 main personality types. If you go and you take the test and you find out what you are, they have pages of pages that will describe your personality. Science has developed this personality typing over a long period of time.
David: I remember in college, I majored in psychology, there was something called the MMPI or the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. It was a very, very complex, multiple choice test that did crank out something like you’re describing at the end.
Corey: Right. This is very similar.
David: Yeah, okay.
Corey: They’ve had a lot of these that have evolved over time.
Corey: So they want to find out your personality type. and most people think that everybody thinks the same way that you, that they, do, but we all approach things, think through things, differently. They want to get into your head and figure out how you think. Then, they’re going to . . .
David: Is neuro linguistic programming part of this?
David: Okay. Then how does that factor in? Because I’ve heard that some people are more visual, some people are more auditory, some people are more . . . and you’ll see people the way they look, like they’ll move their hands, and where they look when they’re talking about something has to do with what part of the brain they’re accessing, that kind of thing.
Corey: Right. And they’re going to need to know that type of information to know how best to target you. And then they’re going to get as much information about the type of friends you keep, the type of content you watch on television, the type of information you follow on the Internet, the type of comments you make on social media – any and all information – they take, they put it together, and they have these different array of different types of psychiatrists that then pour over it and come out with a final psychological profile that says . . . It’s a profile that an operative can look at and use to say: “This person will most likely behave this way in this scenario. Or if I want this person to behave this way, this scenario will most likely elicit this response.”
David: Well, I got pulled into jury duty a few times, and these attorneys end up asking everybody certain questions. And when they’re trying to select a jury, obviously they want to pick jurors that they think are going to be more likely to win.
Corey: They’re profiling you.
David: Yeah. So what is this . . . Is there a document? And is it like a stapled series of 8½ by 11 pages that you can flip through? How many . . .
Corey: Well, if you print it out.
David: Okay. So it’s a written document.
Corey: Right. It’s a typed document. It depends on what type of information they’ve been able to . . . If they’ve gotten into your medical records, they’ll have medications that you’re on. Sometimes if they want to get in and switch out your medications, that’s handy to have. They want to know absolutely everything about you. So there will be medical information that’s supposed to be HIPAA safe – everything that you can think of.
David: Well, one of the things we’ve heard over the years – I’ve been in this field a long time – when people are actually contacted by agents, which used to happen a lot more than it does now, and they actually do want to intimidate you, they will say things to you where you’re like, “Wait a minute. I didn’t tell anybody that. How the hell did you know that?”
David: So that gives them a lot of power. So they’ll use all kinds of surveillance, and they want to have all these invasive personal details. So is it like an analysis of vulnerability? Is there a tactical breakdown of where somebody’s vulnerabilities are? If you hit this button, you’ll get them to break. If you hit this button, you can take away their money. If you hit this button, their relationship is going to fall apart. If you hit this button, their family’s going to turn on them. If you hit this button, then this is where they go shopping and you could target their car while they’re in the shopping mall?
Corey: Pretty much.
David: Wow! What’s the tone in these documents? Is it sarcastic and mocking, or is it just very clinical and scientific?
Corey: It’s clinical, scientific, matter-of-fact.
David: So it doesn’t have a lot of nasty talking-down language or anything?
David: Okay. So let’s get into the core of what I wanted to speak about in this episode, which is people online are in discussion forums and we’ve been watching this happen for a long time. I first started to go online with a 14.4 kilobytes-per-second modem dial up, which I didn’t even realize went that high. I only did it at 4.4, 4,400. “Oh, my gosh, it goes up to 14.4.”
Corey: I remember.
David: And one of the first things I did is I went to Richard C. Hoagland’s discussion forum on EnterpriseMission.com. And I’m saying, here’s this guy coming out with this incredible stuff, that there’s a monument on Mars.